Non-fiction books on Edward II

Subject: Non-fiction books on Edward II Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:59 am

For anyone interested in learning more about Edward II, I'd recommend a book published in 2006, called The Reign of Edward II: New Perspectives. It's a collection of essays, and takes a far more sympathetic attitude to Edward than is often seen (though without skating over his faults).

For 'newcomers' to Edward, Wink

I'd recommend Caroline Bingham's Life and Times of Edward II - a nicely-illustrated introduction to Edward and his reign.
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"Sans lui n'estoit rien fait, et par lui estoit tous fait, et le creoit li rois plus que tout le monde." Without him nothing is done and through him everything is done, and the king trusts him more than any other: Hugh Despenser the Younger and Edward II

Age : 38 Joined : 01 Oct 2007 Posts : 26 Location : Sydney

Thanks for the reading tips.

For those who have read Ian Mortimer's "The Greatest Traitor" about Roger Mortimer....what did you think?

Subject: Re: Non-fiction books on Edward II Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:52 pm

It is exceptionally well-written, thoroughly documented and offers a very detailed account on what Roger's life might have been like, starting with his background, his childhood, to the last events of his life and eventually his death. It also presents in a special chapter the evidence of his innocence... he did NOT order Edward to be assasinated!!! He was terribly wrong judged by history. I recommend it wholeheartedly.

Age : 38 Joined : 01 Oct 2007 Posts : 26 Location : Sydney

Thanks Elflady! It sounds like it is worth a read. I will purchase it when I am in the UK next year. Books are very expensive in Australia!

Subject: Re: Non-fiction books on Edward II Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:32 pm

I second Elflady's recommendation! Ian Mortimer's books are historical biograhies at their best - incredibly well-researched and detailed, but also very easy to read for the non-expert.

I'd also recommend his Perfect King, a bio of Ed III, which expands his theories [for want of a better word - it's stronger than that!] on what really happened to Ed II in and after 1327.
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"Sans lui n'estoit rien fait, et par lui estoit tous fait, et le creoit li rois plus que tout le monde." Without him nothing is done and through him everything is done, and the king trusts him more than any other: Hugh Despenser the Younger and Edward II

Subject: Re: Non-fiction books on Edward II Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:39 pm

Subject: Re: Non-fiction books on Edward II Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:50 pm

I have a couple of books on Edward II and/or Isabella, and I'd like to get the opinions of those of you who are so much more deeply versed in the topic than I am, concerning their veracity for study.

The first is the Alison Weir book called Queen Isabella. I was cautioned by another historian in Scotland to be wary of her work, as much of it relies on supposition (more like fiction), and that she fills in the blanks in history with her own interpretation (i.e. in supplying thoughts and motivations that can't be substantiated by any historical documentation/letters/diaries etc). I was told to use her more for her bibliography and less for her own work, which this historian felt was heavily tainted with fictional elements.

The second book I have in front of me at the moment is Edward II 1307 - 1327 by Mary Saaler. I know nothing about the book or the author.

Does anyone have any thoughts about either book?

Thanks!

Joined : 30 Sep 2007 Posts : 25

Saaler pulls together information from a lot of sources, but her book contains a few factual errors--for instance, she had Hugh le Despenser the younger surrendering Caerphilly Castle to the queen (the castle wasn't surrendered until months after Despenser's death, and it was his son, not Despenser, who surrendered it.) On the whole, though, it's pretty useful, but should be regarded with a certain degree of caution.

Alainore's posted at length on Weir's biography on her blog, so I'll just suggest you look there for a good summary of its good and bad points. On the whole, I didn't think it was bad, but it was overindulgent toward Isabella and did have some factual errors. I also didn't think she put forth her argument about the fate of Edward II very convincingly (which was unfortunate, because much of her assessment of Isabella's character depends on her assumption that Edward II was not murdered).

Joined : 26 Nov 2007 Posts : 35 Location : Australia

I liked Weir's "Isabella" up to the point where she discussed her views of the fate of Edward's death / escape. It didn't fit in with the overall tone of the book - and it detracted from the overall telling of the story.

I have said (on many a time) that she should have kept the theories seperate from the rest of the book, and presented them all collectively in an Appendix, or some such thing, at the very end. Tell the story first - present the various "ends" last.

Just my opinion.
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Joined : 30 Sep 2007 Posts : 25

Has anyone seen the Marc Morris bio of Edward I? It's out in the UK--there's a customer review that is quite favorable:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Terrible-King-Forging-Britain/dp/0091796849/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207142733&sr=8-1

It's definitely on my wish list! It should be interesting to see what he as to say about Ed I's relationship with Ed II.

Subject: Re: Non-fiction books on Edward II Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:04 pm

I'm really looking forward to that! Think I'll ask for it for my birthday!
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"Sans lui n'estoit rien fait, et par lui estoit tous fait, et le creoit li rois plus que tout le monde." Without him nothing is done and through him everything is done, and the king trusts him more than any other: Hugh Despenser the Younger and Edward II

Joined : 28 Mar 2008 Posts : 152

I actually had a sneaky look at it in my local Borders. The part where Prince Edward asks for Ponthieu for Gaveston. It repeats the usual scene - with prince Edward being abused and having his hair pulled out! Ouch! It's out in hardback right now, and a bit expensive. Think I'll wait for it to come out in paperback.

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As I just poted on Piers' thread, I am torn between reading Hamilton's bio of iers and Susan Higginbotham's 'The Traitor's Wife'. Hamilton's book has such wonderful detail! Yesterday though, I had to go on a train journey and read far more of Susan Higginbotham's splendid book! The relationship between Edward and Piers is handled very sympathetically and sensitively. I'm almost half way through, and enjoying the portrayal of Eleanor - I'm really keen to finish it in the next few days - once you ick it up, it's very difficult to put down!

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An old book of mine, 'The Princes of Wales', by Wynford Vaughan Thomas, has a wonderful story about Edward and Isabella's 'wedding certificate' being found at Neath Abbey in Wales. Edward once fled to Neath Abbey, near Swansea. When Neath Abbey was renovated some years ago, coins from his reign were found buried in a pillar in the nave. The certificate turned up in the late 19th century - Thomas writes

'a doctor ins Swansea was called to attend a farmer's wife in Gower. At the end of the visit, the farmer decalred that he had no money at hand to pay but added "Will this do?" He put in hand in the thatch and pulled out a box. It contained an old parchment which was submitted to the experts for examination. It turned out to be the marriage contract between Edward and Isabella. The parchment is still on display in the museum of the Royal Institution in Swansea, a sad relic, so evocative of royal suffering six hundred years ago. It must surely always remain in Wales, for according to the Wakefield chronicler, the Welsh had always shown a kindness to the first English Prince of Wales who had been born at Caernarfon'.

Joined : 28 Mar 2008 Posts : 152

This book was published in 1982, and I can tell you, the certificate is NOT on show in any museum in Swansea. It is kept at the university for security reasons - and sadly, not on show. I asked after it recently on a visit to Swansea museum.