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Natalie
Joined : 31 Oct 2007
Posts : 3
|  Subject: Re: The Last Capets  Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:40 pm | |
| Thanks, Mary mentioned it to me so I decided to stop by.
I bet she was Isabelle de France or something like that. Capet was a nickname, not even a last name of the founder of the dynasty (not that people had last names the way we have today at the time anyway) |
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Alianore
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| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:55 pm | |
| I didn't know Capet was a nickname, Natalie - how did it come about?
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Natalie
Joined : 31 Oct 2007
Posts : 3
| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:33 pm | |
| | It probably meant "cape" or "head" (from Latin "caput") or something like that. |
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Alianore
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| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:59 pm | |
| Ah, I see...
the name Plantagenet is meant to come from the Latin for a sprig of broom, that Geoffrey of Anjou (father of Henry II) wore. That's from memory, so I hope it's accurate! 
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"Sans lui n'estoit rien fait, et par lui estoit tous fait, et le creoit li rois plus que tout le monde." Without him nothing is done and through him everything is done, and the king trusts him more than any other: Hugh Despenser the Younger and Edward II |
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Kate Plantaganet
 
Age : 38
Joined : 01 Oct 2007
Posts : 26
Location : Sydney
| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:21 pm | |
| | Yes Alianore you are correct, I think from Plante Genest the latin term for the sprig. |
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Melisende
Joined : 26 Nov 2007
Posts : 35
Location : Australia
| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:45 pm | |
| Just a brief note with regards to Mahaut succeeding in Artois - Salic Law was more often than not applied solely to the "royal" inheritance, espeically in France. Females could and still did succeed directly to fiefs of the French Crown, even when possible a male heir (ie: a nephew) was living.
Salic Law was used as a tool for maintaining a "male" line of descent for the French monarchy.
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elflady
 
Age : 36
Joined : 01 Oct 2007
Posts : 74
Location : BUCURESTI, ROMANIA
| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:39 pm | |
| | Wasn't the Salic Law "unburried" with the sole purpose of barring Edward III's ascension to the French throne? |
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Melisende
Joined : 26 Nov 2007
Posts : 35
Location : Australia
| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:17 am | |
| I think the arguement he used was descent through his mother, Isabella. However, with Salic Law in force in France, he really didn't have any hope. Just flexing his military muscle; a question of pride maybe ..... thoughts of "acquiring" a realm to equal that of William the Conqueror??
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CharlieF
Joined : 09 Aug 2008
Posts : 1
| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:05 pm | |
| Hello,
This is a great site and forum so I hope you don't mind if I stick my oar in on the subject of the Plantagenet name.
| Quote: | From Oxford Journal’s NOTES AND QUERIES October 14, 1933
PLANTAGENET: ORIGIN OF NAME (clxv. 227).- There can be no doubt that the Angevin Kings of England received the name Plantagenet from the device of their house, the wild broom plant (cystisus scoparius), the planta genista of old writers. It was the device of the Counts of Anjou, the first of whom is said to have worn in his helmet, a sprig of the plant, the symbol of humility, when on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Fulke of Anjou, grandfather of Henry II, bore it as his personal cognizance: and it figures on the decoration of the tomb of Henry’s father Geoffrey, the eleventh count of Anjou. Henry himself bore it and it is seen on the Great Seal of Richard I.
St. Louis of France was also attracted to the broom as the symbol of humility, and on the occasion of his marriage (A.D. 1234) established a new order of knighthood, the “Cosse de Genest.” The collar of the order was composed of fleur-de-lys and the broom flower alternately; and its motto was Exaltat humiles. This order was for long in high esteem, and among its members we find the name of King Richard of England.
J.R.F.
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However the same piece also cites Roger of Wendover who as I'm sure you are aware was an English Chronicler of the 13th century (died May 6, 1236):
| Quote: | “A.D. 1127. Fulk, Count of Anjou, intending to go and settle for life in Jerusalem, gave up his county to his son Geoffrey, surnamed Plantagenet”. (Roger of Wendover’s Chronicle, Bohn’s Edition).
J.F.M.
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So it was a 'surname' in use well before the 15th century. |
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Alianore
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| | Subject: Re: The Last Capets Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:44 am | |
| Welcome, Charlie! And please feel free to stick your oar in wherever you like.
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